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gosunahc · Aug 23, 2005, 06:26 AM // 06:26

ok.
ive read on axe spike builds that ppl say it improves ur speed of attack by 50%... from ingame... all i see is 33% and take double damage, then i read a few other discussions and people say u ditch out double damage... it just says 33% faster unless they were referring to the faster cast speed but it specifically says do double damage.

So yeh, all i know that is frenzy does 33% faster and take double damage, and penetrating blow is just 20% armor penetration not 50%

Rajamic · Aug 23, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Frenzy causes your attack animation to be reduced by 33%. So for example, with the 2.0 second attacks of a shortbow, they become 1.33 seconds per shot. Looking at that across a 4 second interval:
Without speed boost: 2 attacks.
With speed boost 3 attacks.
Thus, with the 33% reduction in attack animation, you are actually going to do 50% more damage.

The double damage frenzy causes is how much you receive.

Penetrating Blow is just 20%, but you could add Judge's Insight for another 20%, and if Penetrating and Strength stack, another 16% on top of that, for a total of 56% armor penetration

Caelus The Fallen · Aug 23, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Basically, ANet are illogical - rather than attacks per second (logical) they use seconds per attack o_O.
Thus 33% faster means a reduction in your seconds/attack: it is multiplied by 2/3 (a 1/3 reduction).
Taking the reciprocal converts this back to attacks/second, and the reciprocal of 2/3 is 3/2 ie. an increase of 1/2 (or 50%). Since damage it proportional to number of attacks, your damage per second is also increased by 50%.
Hope that made sense!

CKaz · Aug 23, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14

So then.. does Tiger Fury match this or not - guessing so..
I may still stick to it either way as I'm not a fan of receiving double damage and can't mitigate much of that as a W/R

Sarus · Aug 23, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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and if Penetrating and Strength stack,

Penetrating and Strength armor penetration bonuses do not stack

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So then.. does Tiger Fury match this or not - guessing so..

Don't use tiger's fury on a warrior ...

Kaishi · Sep 15, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Sarus

Don't use tiger's fury on a warrior ...

Why shouldn't tiger's fury be used by a warrior?

TheArrow · Sep 15, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Frenzy is half the energy cost of Tiger's Fury. And its a Warrior skill meaning you can take a better secondary than Ranger. Frenzy takes more skill to use properly for sure, but its the better choice in attack speed boosts for a warrior. Just make sure you have a cover stance like Sprint to use the second you start taking damage while Frenzy is up.

galkraft · Sep 16, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Tiger's Fury
PRO- same speed effect as Frenzy, but no armor penalty
CON- disables heals and spells for 5 seconds (attack skills not disabled)... but you should be using attack skills anyway when you use this, so this is hardly a con
CON- 10 energy. but less with Expertise, which benefits nearly all Warrior attack skills.

If you have decent energy management, and investment in Beastmastery (which I only recommend if you plan on using a pet), then I would argue that Tiger's is better. Otherwise, Frenzy or Flurry.

arredondo · Sep 16, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Expertise is for Rangers only. If you go RaWa, you lose the Warrior's durability, runes, and a percentange of damage off of his major damage chains.

galkraft · Sep 16, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01

/doh

I knew that about Expertise, and for some reason was in the R/W mindset. So, let me rephrase, if you have EXTREMELY good energy management, TF would be better.

Aug 23, 2005, 06:26 AM // 06:26	#1
gosunahc Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005	ok... Frenzy can some1 ANS This ok. ive read on axe spike builds that ppl say it improves ur speed of attack by 50%... from ingame... all i see is 33% and take double damage, then i read a few other discussions and people say u ditch out double damage... it just says 33% faster unless they were referring to the faster cast speed but it specifically says do double damage. So yeh, all i know that is frenzy does 33% faster and take double damage, and penetrating blow is just 20% armor penetration not 50%

Aug 23, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37	#2
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Frenzy causes your attack animation to be reduced by 33%. So for example, with the 2.0 second attacks of a shortbow, they become 1.33 seconds per shot. Looking at that across a 4 second interval: Without speed boost: 2 attacks. With speed boost 3 attacks. Thus, with the 33% reduction in attack animation, you are actually going to do 50% more damage. The double damage frenzy causes is how much you receive. Penetrating Blow is just 20%, but you could add Judge's Insight for another 20%, and if Penetrating and Strength stack, another 16% on top of that, for a total of 56% armor penetration

Aug 23, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06	#3
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	Basically, ANet are illogical - rather than attacks per second (logical) they use seconds per attack o_O. Thus 33% faster means a reduction in your seconds/attack: it is multiplied by 2/3 (a 1/3 reduction). Taking the reciprocal converts this back to attacks/second, and the reciprocal of 2/3 is 3/2 ie. an increase of 1/2 (or 50%). Since damage it proportional to number of attacks, your damage per second is also increased by 50%. Hope that made sense!

Aug 23, 2005, 02:14 PM // 14:14	#4
CKaz Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005	So then.. does Tiger Fury match this or not - guessing so.. I may still stick to it either way as I'm not a fan of receiving double damage and can't mitigate much of that as a W/R

Sep 15, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59	#7
TheArrow Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Guild: The Illuminati [Illu] Profession: Mo/	Frenzy is half the energy cost of Tiger's Fury. And its a Warrior skill meaning you can take a better secondary than Ranger. Frenzy takes more skill to use properly for sure, but its the better choice in attack speed boosts for a warrior. Just make sure you have a cover stance like Sprint to use the second you start taking damage while Frenzy is up.

Sep 16, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18	#8
galkraft Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Followers Of Master Jack Profession: R/Me	Tiger's Fury PRO- same speed effect as Frenzy, but no armor penalty CON- disables heals and spells for 5 seconds (attack skills not disabled)... but you should be using attack skills anyway when you use this, so this is hardly a con CON- 10 energy. but less with Expertise, which benefits nearly all Warrior attack skills. If you have decent energy management, and investment in Beastmastery (which I only recommend if you plan on using a pet), then I would argue that Tiger's is better. Otherwise, Frenzy or Flurry.

Sep 16, 2005, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#9
arredondo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	Expertise is for Rangers only. If you go RaWa, you lose the Warrior's durability, runes, and a percentange of damage off of his major damage chains.

Sep 16, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01	#10
galkraft Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Followers Of Master Jack Profession: R/Me	/doh I knew that about Expertise, and for some reason was in the R/W mindset. So, let me rephrase, if you have EXTREMELY good energy management, TF would be better.